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This is only a FAQ pointer; No response posts, please. Use e-mail.

Had to remove most of my online presence this week - just for a little
while - while Snipurl completes its major overhaul. Most everything will be
back shortly.

FIREFLY FAQ and TRB pages wil have some non-working links for a week or two.
No SG-1 tribute either for a while - I'm modifying it as the show wraps up
this and next week, so spoilers won't be a problem and/or will be labelled.
Filling in the SGA FAQ a bit too, so see you soon with that. And a new page
chronicling the end - and the reasons therefore - of the end for the TRBs
which should come shortly. Change is good!

And many more good things on the way. Thanks to so many for your support.
I wouldn't do any of this if not for...well, my own selfish motives, but it
sure is nice that so many of you are following along and enjoying. So
Thanks again.

<negativity> How interesting this week looks to be in the troll/rat scene.
This miserable little teen-ager whose been polluting these groups with spam
posts, all off-topic, wretching over "Atlas Bugged," appears to have
misstepped and allowed some evidence of he/she/its identity to be released.
I have posted a web page about how and why that likely happened.

In short, "anonymous" complaints aren't what they used to be, and attempting
to assault me outside Usenet required giving up some ID info or at least
getting your IP recorded. Here's my advice if there's anyone else who wants
to be a piece of shit when they grow up, or just continue to be one - I hope
to someday trace Flipper Shithead, for example: Don't play around with
someone who can use legal process and who, unlike you, doesn't need to hide
like...well...like a rat. As I've previously said...

"It's a free country and an unmoderated newsgroup, but I do what I say, say
what I'll do, simple. I'm not influenced at all, either, by anything said
or done by any...well...petaQ."

I am on the offensive now, and only because the shitheads wouldn't go away.
Now, failing to do as I've asked - and what I've asked is for he/she/it/them
to do *nothing* - is going to get expensive." </negativity>

As always, greetings from sunny Mount Laurel, NJ! Think I'll hit the beach
today.
Atlas Bugged
http://snipurl.com/bugged

email him or even phone at work and tell 'em what ya think of Atlas Bugged's
(aka Charles Novins) constant spam in the BSG NG....
http://www.nyplaw.com/Bio/CharlesNovins.asp
or thank him for (apparently, in his own mind) saving the world... he's got
nothing better to do!
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Qapla'
Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
"Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty (Spectre of the Gun)
1,079,252,848.8 km/h, not just a good idea, it's the law.
"So say we all!"

Instead of bothering a respected attorney, let's have a look at some
immature shithead:
http://snipurl.com/kweer
Could this be our Ambassador Kweer?
Oh, look, is this the little man-child's scary homepage? Looks like it?
http://profiles.yahoo.com/ambassadorkweeg

You want someone else to do this Kweeg? Why don't you do it? Like, ever?

Maybe that idiot troll Menzel will do it for you. I am pretty sure I'll
soon have jurisdiction on Menzel, so maybe not. You should really do it,
hiding in Canada as you do.

Why don't you do shit? Why are you a worthless little loser? Why is it
that if you want to get something done right, you don't do anything
yourself?

You are on my hit-list, little girl. If I can get jurisdiction over you, I
will, and that will suck a lot, because you'll have to actually do something
yourself.

You'll then find doing nothing is a lot easier, and the minute you find the
easy way, that will be your way.

But it might be too late then. You're with Shaw, right? Canada doesn't
mean you're 100% insulated from US jurisdiction.

Give Mr. Novins a call over at the firm. I think he'd love it.

Hey, guess what? Did you know that Yahoo isn't responsible for your shit,
nor is Shaw, but they cannot keep your identity confidential? If they try
to, they *can* get hit. And they, like everyone else, wouldn't spend a
penny or a moment's effort to protect your ugly, immature, stupid ass.

Oh, look. You have some friends, who would have ever imagined? I think
I'll post some of their e-mails, maybe their phone numbers, their photos.
What else is there but to play your game, you fuck? What else is there?

It's all coming to a conclusion because I'm the one who has zero that needs
to stay hidden.

Atlas Bugged, 6/16/2007 9:07:43 PM
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news:pf2di.204932$dg3.1...@fe10.news.easynews.com...
: "Kweeg" <kw...@nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in message

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> "Respected" attorney?

He's a legend in his own mind.

He works for some respected attorneys. They are:

Anthony M. Pagano
Partner
anthony...@nyplaw.com

Kenneth R. Pentony
Partner
ken.p...@nyplaw.com

Harvey L. York
Managing Partner
harve...@nyplaw.com

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Ass Bug

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I know everything, and you are wrong! I AM a lawyer! AND a msucian!
Yes, I am! Don't make me call my mommie!!

Where's the respected attorney?

would a respected attorney, or anyone else worthy of respect, post drivel
like this? at best you're a troll, tho i think it's more likely that you're
simply a moron.

Oh, the beauty of the faceless internet. Anyone can claim to be
whatever they want, and call other people WHATEVER they want!

Some are going to be more accurate than others, but the bottom line,
is, of course, in the details of the posts.

Sort of like the monkey at the zoo behind a glass wall. He can fling
shit, preen and scratch himself, while screeching and howling. And we
can watch, laugh and be entertained.

We just need to know when to move on to the next entertainment.

"Respected attorney" It is to laugh. Entertain us some more, monkey!

--
just Bob
___________
Speech is conveniently located midway between thought and action, where it
often substitutes for both.
-- John Andrew Holmes

No. It is optional. Some people can *choose* to be hidden
Troll/Rat/Bastards, such as yourself. Others choose to be relatively public
figures. No one doubts I'm a lawyer anymore, except possibly liars and
idiots. Which one are you?

Well, sounds right.

The monkey throws his feces at the non-monkeys, the humans, watching from
afar. The humans can't stop 'em. That's your anonymous, often vicious,
usually ignorant Troll/Rat/Bastard. Like you.

Why don't you just move on, since you add nothing?

Is that a generalization about attorneys? Who else do you hate? Niggers?

Yeah, I have a pretty good idea of your identity. Sure you don't want to
leave? It's really bad for the monkey if some human can press the
electric-shock button.

Atlas Bugged, 6/19/2007 10:28:15 PM

<snip>

Well I'm not sure who you think Daily Bob is but I can guarantee he is
not Citroen. You may not like it but it is the truth.

smoked salmon

Classy. You get more respectable every time you post.

I'm tired of all this. I'm going to move on. I've contacted AB in e-
mail and we have buried the hatchet. We have come to an understanding
and we have agreed to disagree. I advise everyone else in this
pointless conflict to do the same. I'm sorry for being so stubborn
and clogging these groups with all my off topic posts and my nonstop
bickering. That was rude of me. I'll try to stay on topic from now
on. Yes, even I can change my mind. Like I said, I'm sorry for being
so stubborn. If I ever slip up again I ask that those in the
community remind me of my mistake and I will do my best to fix it and
move on.

Flamewars are the wrong way to settle problems and I shouldn't have
played my role in them. I know I am not the only one and I ask that
everyone else who is using such tactics put a stop to it. Drop it.
Pissing contests don't help anyone and I'm sorry about my share of the
problem. I have promised Atlas that I will not participate in any
such threads again. It's the nature of the internet that people won't
agree but arguing about such things on a newsgroup is pointless.
Instead it is better to agree to disagree.

I have never made a formal complaint against Atlas and those who have
are over reacting even more than I did. I now realize that AB's FAQ
postings are not necessarily off-topic and besides it is a silly thing
to fight over. It's bad for the group. Atlas and I have found some
common ground and in fact I've come to agree with his position on
several points. As for the rest - when two people can't agree to
something on usenet then it's better to just drop it. I now
understand how my stubbornness inspired others to do the same. That
was wrong of me and I'm sorry. Atlas asked me to clear things up but
I would never say something I didn't mean. I find some of his views
to be quite reasonable. I'm amazed at just how much common ground we
were able to find once I stopped flaming.

To those who's names are on the TRB page let me point out that some
people have already been removed after they left Atlas alone for a
while. If you don't agree with him you should be ignoring him
anyway. However a much faster route is to talk with him and to come
to an understanding through e-mail. If you see my name removed
eventually then you will know you can trust him to do the same as long
as you can be reasonable. I have asked Atlas to wait until he is sure
that I have changed my ways so he is free to take his time - as much
time as he would like. You will see he keeps his word.

Some of you have been hitting below the belt. To Lio Convoy I'd have
to say that was downright dishonest. You went too far and I regret
any appearance I gave of a connection with you or of sharing common
views. What you did was cold and needs to stop. You deserve to be on
the troll page. There are others who are doing the same and I feel
the same way about them. You know who you are. It's criminal to mess
with someone off-line. Stop it right now.

I look forward to chatting with my friends and all honest posters
including Atlas Bugged but only in a civil manner and while on topic.
Atlas has my permission to place a link to this post on his web page,
not that he would ever need my permission for something like that but
I give it anyway. I'm sure those who are not ready to give up the
fight are going to claim that I didn't mean this or it was forced.
It's what people like that always say at times like this. I should
know as I use to be one. Sorry, but I really have turned over a new
leaf. I really do regret the things I said in the past and I
apologize. I withdraw every negative thing I have ever said about
Atlas, even things said in e-mail. I will be happy to answer any
questions people might have but this sums up how I now feel about the
matter and I consider it closed.

Citroen

YAY!!!!
Hallelujah!!!
Thank YOU! (Both of you)
Finally this shit might end.

Coulda ended right away had Bugged just labelled his weekly cross posted
spam as "OT" where it was when he was asked nicely by several people to do
it, it still can. Unfortunately Bugged just can do the right thing and
doesn't figure he has to be polite.

<snip>

You are right - this reads as if it *was* forced out of you. And, with one
post, you have managed to validate Bugged's behaviour since he's arrived to
the sci-fi newsgroups. Good work!

(Unless it isn't you, of course.)

Eva

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"Ceremonies have killed religions for they provide the masked comforts to
delusionals..."

<snip>

It's me. I use to be very stubborn. Now I want to change. IIRC you
gave me some good advice about six months ago. You said I should it
drop back it then. I wish I had listened. Keeping this conflict
going was causing too much stress and serves no purpose. I wish
everyone else involved would follow my example. I could go on and on
but I would just end up repeating what I said in my last post. That
one sums up how I really feel about this issue. I just want to put it
behind me.

Citroen

Nonsense. Nonsense. I released all of Citroen's family members unharmed in
an undisclosed location BEFORE he posted.

Validated my "behavior?"

You mean the "behavior" where I posted my adversaries' names, addresses,
phone numbers, e-mails, suggested people do violence to them, linked to
family photos with the same implied suggestions, made false complaints to
authorities, that kind of behavior?

I must have missed where I did those. But Citroen apparently doesn't
approve of those things, so he's full of shit, is that it?

That must be it.

"Wait. Occam WHERE'S OCCAM?"

"He ain't comin'"

Atlas Bugged, 6/22/2007 11:11:41 AM
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TROLL/RATS:
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Not everyone in the newsgroups is helpful, honest, or even what they seem,
and some are there to actually hurt you.

Why the last? That's a question for philosophers and psychologists, your
job is to stay safe, this page helps you screen out the worst.

All true.

As Ponder has noted. And many other long-time posters.

[...]

I get challenged on that a lot, never, ever with a shred of evidence to back
it up. No one even bothers to challenge any specific fact in the entire
FAQ, ever, either.

It's why I logically conclude you have one or two angry trolls, and a medium
that allows for unlimited IDs.

Some will definitely discover they picked the wrong person to victimize.
Others...depends. The ones I'm onto are going to pay cashy money, as a
minimum.

Citroen and I are good, however. It's past.

I'm not going to speak for Citroen, but if he was worried he might have to
pay cashy money, I respect that, it's rational.

Just the chance of having to pay cashy money would slow me down, if the risk
was incurred to do...what?

Make someone write "OT" where I think they ought to? Not have to ever use a
killfile?

And in pursuing this, others have risked criminal acts. These are people
(or one person) with so little sense of reality, he/she/it/them may indeed
be best caged by the authorities.

It's an area where I am uniquely qualified. They used to say I wasn't a
lawyer, thus a liar, then that I was a lawyer, and therefore, a liar, then,
that I was some specific lawyer, at all times claiming they were "certain."
This link to Daffy just never gets old for me: http://snipr.com/NO_LAWYER

Well, FTR, I am a lawyer closely associated with the criminal justice system
and I work in New Jersey. Whether I am the exact person they say...well,
let's just say that if I wanted that to be easily or trivially known on
Usenet, why would I use a handle? And would you feel better if someone
linked enemies to pictures that *they believed* to be your family, but
weren't? Same either way isn't it?

Trolls/Rats/Bastards who took it offline need to either:
1. Follow Citroen's example, write me privately, and convince me either that
you aren't someone I should prosecute, or that you'll send over an ID and
some cashy money. Or:
2. Be in New Zealand. Or Europe. Or Australia. You get it. Somewhere too
far away for it to be worth bothering. It's why Kweeg might just get away
(he's in Canada, a close call, but he's not out of the woods yet.) Being
far away also means a poster cannot threaten me, and it will stay on Usenet,
a medium where intellect is the deciding factor, and that is very, very bad
for Kweeg, or Eva. Popularity is also everything for a pathetic fanboy like
Kweeg, and many are growing ill of his bad tactics, his bull-dog madness,
and lately, his unattractive appearance as well. Or:
3. Have their internet-trail as completely ironclad as a terrorist.
Something law enforcement cannot routinely pierce.

Hunting them that needs it will definitely cost me at least some cashy
money. And time.

But I do have enough of both to indulge some criminal deterrence, and if I
get hold of just one or two by jurisdiction, I'll get my cashy money back,
maybe even turn a tidy profit.

Kweeg is right (it happens!) that I could take a much easier route. Poor
fellow just doesn't understand Objectivists, however.

Not that a philosophy book would have more meaning to Kweeg than its value
as a doorstop. Kweeg is Kweeg, whaddaya gonna do? But if I was Menzel, I'd
think about getting in touch with me...soon.

If it's such a silly small thing, then why not accede to the wishes of
the group and put two simple letters in front of your subject line?

You know that thing you said about Ockham's razor a few posts back,
you might want to apply that principle here.

It's arguably harassment to post someone's personal information just
because you're annoyed by them. I've never done this or supported it,
I think it's far worse than posting OT garbage repetitively. However,
I have sent a single abuse report to his IP, because I suspected that
Bugged might be in breach of his TOS. This was not to harass him, but
to confirm whether or not he was in compliance with his TOS. They
responded that he was, and I've done my best to ignore him since.

Of course, this stinks of extortion, but whatever agreement you've
come to between the two of you is none of my business. His public mea
culpa seems awfully suspect, though.

We can guarantee you that not a single armoured division will get done
over for fifteen bob a week.

Some people don't have the option of using a killfile, Google doesn't
have one built in for example.

Go get em, Clarence Darrow.

You know what, pal; I'm in Arizona. If you think a little arguing on
a newsgroup and a single abuse report is actionable, then bring it.
<snip>

Who's the group? You and a bunch of false nyms, angry asses,
and...well...you? I think the group is me, David Buchner, and a few others
who think you are a petty ass. So why don't you do what we'd like? Mark
your posts "anonymous mob-minded troublemaker who doesn't even realize
there's no mob?"

Then below, you reject Occam. Not an IQ-topper, are you?

This post of yours would be....... what? Not an IQ-topper, are you?

So you send complaints anytime you "suspect" someone "might" be in violation
of their TOS?

You're a really admirable human being. I also think you are driven by
irrational emotions and mob logic.

How many complaints do you file, say, per year? The complaint against me
wasn't motivated by anything but your purity of heart I'm sure.

No, it wasn't to harrass me. You had to maintain the purity of Usenet.

Do you have an IQ above 70? Who feeds you?

I extorted him. Your evidence of this is...ahhhh....zilch.

So let's review: You complained to make sure I was going with my TOS and
Citroen's decision to not be a jerk, and your decision to continue being a
jerk, shows that I extorted him.

Now, you have accused me of "extortion" with no knowledge, no evidence.

Great. You might want to present the evidence online. Otherwise, you might
want to post and apologize.

Or you could just not respond so we'll all know what you are.

I see.

Part of the problem is that the people in this newsgroup have seen criminal
behaviour against me, and they remain silent.

This is understandable, pretty much, I wouldn't want the criminals after me
either.

But people who write in to complain about my defense of myself and my family
(1) suck my fucking dick, and (2) will indeed be prosecuted *if* they
crossed the line.

Now, you've accused me, an attorney, of committing extortion, because a
formerly adverse poster condemned such crimes. You are *some* piece of
shit, I must say.

It's more than that now, and Arizona isn't even slightly a problem. Good
combo, being ignorant of ethics *and* law, you are a complete package.
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Ughh. This one resolves to the "lio Convoy" troll, currently under
investigation by several ISP's and an e-mail outfit.

Been hounding me under at least ten different ID's for years, the loser of
all human history.

I should have known better than to waste my time.

Wife in labor, sure, this guy likes to stroke-off everyone. Not in Arizona,
either. Everything "revealed" is for a purpose.

Keep an occasional eye on developments with this one.
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Especially "Lio Convoy." A number of the TRB's are all resolving now to
this prick.

I see. All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.
It must be really comforting to assume that because I don't agree with
you that my opinion is irrelevant. And since all such people who
disagree with you can be equally disregarded, then that means the only
opinions that you consider valid are the ones that agree with you.

It's one thing to say that you believe that a myriad of posters with
widely varying posting histories stretching back years are all a
handful of people with a grudge. It's something else to say that
someone who has had a longstanding argument with you suddenly doing an
about face is suspicious.

It would be Off topic. Of course, the second poster marked your
thread as OT and you immediately changed it back. I've restored the
OT header for you.

If I believe the breach may be serious, yes.

Actually, I would say that a probably file a few dozen per year.
Mostly these are directed against spam I receive in my email, but if I
see significant spam to a newsgroup I report that as well. Now, that
being said, I know of posters who repeatedly report other users as a
way of griefing them. You'll note that I did not do this. I made one
report, and I accepted the result of your ISP's investigation.

Noone is suggesting that Usenet is pure, but I tend to be vigilant
against spam.

Significantly higher, yes. In fact, more than double.

Never said I had evidence, I'm saying that such a drastic turnabout on
Citroen's part seems odd.

Awfully twisted logic there. I sent a report to your ISP for reasons
stated above. I didn't complain about Citroen's post, merely called
it suspicious.

I have no evidence, I freely admit that. I'm not accusing you of
extorting him, I'm suggesting that Citroen's post seems
uncharacteristic. Extortion was perhaps an unfortunate choice of
words.

I suspect you would have called me a troll for not responding, and I
suspect that you will call me a troll for responding.

<restoring unmarked snip>

No comment here, Bugged? What is your response for those who do not
have the capability of killfiling you? TS?

How is your weekly posting of Firefly spam defense of yourself and
your family? That's the only thing I've ever complained about with
your ISP.

And I've said I condemn such crimes as well, but Citroen's post went
far beyond simply saying that people shouldn't post personal
information.

And what more have I done? I've made one abuse report and we've
argued online. Name one thing I've done beyond that.

<snip spam>

Nope and nope. I've read some of Lio's posts, but that's all I know
of him. I'm certainly not him.

Really? Then why was he only recently added to the dreaded TRB page?

Actually, if you look at the header for my last message you'll see
that my NNTP posting host is 70.190.162.50 which a whois lookup
resolved to "Cox Communications NETBLK-PH-RDC" The "PH" in there
stands for Phoenix, AZ.

Indeed, I can't wait.

<snip spam>

No no no. Everyone that dissagrees with him is all the same person. We
are all ONE!

It is win-win!

You have disparaged and scorned the One True God. For The One True God,
that is enough. The One True God is a Vengeful God.

Not me. I'm two. My bathroom scale confirms this.

What, Atlas Buggery is now claiming Godhood? I know he's the arbiter
of good taste, defender of the internet, maintainer of purity and
chasity, and all that... but GODHOOD??
This goes beyond his usual claims of being a high-powered lawyer (who
works for his daddy) and able to crush all who stand before him. I
guess now we'll actually have to tremble in fear? Naw... I got
better things to do. Like wiping my ass after a good session of
laying cable. ...which reminds me of AB, btw.

Good dog, "Lio."

What I have discovered beyond doubt is that the "Lio Convoy" troll is a
sociopath.

Here's what they do: They lie unreservedly, and when caught, they haven't
the slightest regret, they simply say "OK."

They listen to reason only when forced to. That's what you just saw.

"Lio's" linked positively to at least a dozen identities now, and I'm
getting ready to file legal complaints and issue subpoenas.

The jackass has gone far over the line, easily breaching both state and
federal harrassment laws, and I've positively tagged him with his identities
and harrassing myself and others over *years* (just a few unwanted
communications puts a person way over the line.)

And I've got help now - a small but determined group who he's victimized but
didn't think they could do anything, so they laid low. But they hate your
guts and they have info, all pieces of the puzzle.

This is why you are seeing a flood of "all I ever did was one complaint"
posts. The complaint mentioned was years back, and was the first time I
tagged him - the complaint required giving up an ID to the person falsely
complained of - me.

"Lio's" prepping for court.

Nope. Wanted to see you do exactly what you did.

Notice the sociopathy? "I never said 'extortion!'"

No. I don't have to answer the questions of a criminal. Anyone with an
actual name and address is welcome to ask me that, not that it's much a
deal. You're just trying to divert attention.

More sociopathy.

How about stalked and harrassed me for over a year? I've tracked some of
your e-mails to me, and many more now. Gawab is investigating. Highwinds.
Charter. Yahoo and Google are hardest to mobilize, but will fall like
dominoes.

And nothing in your header gives away anything about you're location. More
lying sociopathy.

You are one fucked-up dude. You have persisted because not one thing you
ever did ever cost you a single penny, a single minute, or a single day in
jail, or the threat thereof.

But the agencies you hide behind are about to let it go, because they won't
spend a dime or a minute to fend off suit..

Get ready.

I will post copies of the state and federal complaints to web pages, and
link to them, for those interested in following my work. Cheap little
would-be cyberbullies like this can be remedied if you know how.

OK, sociopath, let's look! This is one of the symptoms - you just lie, and
hope no one checks.
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Who knows how to read headers here? Is this posted from a person in phoenix
which we know from the headers? Not! SOCIOPATH!

Hold on a sec, I never lied in this series of posts. I said that it
was my impression that Citroen was being coerced and that his posts
were uncharacteristic. It is true that these are my opinions, I never
presented them as fact.

Lio may have done that, however I am not him.

Interesting since I am not a piece of that puzzle.

Well, actually I made my complaint back on April 29 of this year.
Here it is:

Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:06:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Name redacted <stil...@yahoo.com> Add to Address BookAdd to
Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Subject: Abuse report
To: ab...@easynews.com

I'm writing to report a concern I have with one of
your subscribers. Although he may not be in direct
violation of your spam policy, I believe he is being
abusive nevertheless.

"Atlas Bugged" (atlasbug...@gmail.com) maintains
a webpage with an FAQ on the TV show Firefly and film
Serenity, and he advertises this FAQ repeatedly in
newsgroups where such advertisements are off topic.
He posts pointers to his FAQ on a weekly basis, if not
more often. Several groups have requested that at the
very least he include an "OT" notice in his header,
but he refuses to do even that and indeed becomes
quite hostile when this request is made of him.
Additionally, the complete text of the advertisement
appears in his .sig file, so you could in fact
consider each message he posts as a separate
advertisement.

In addition to alt.tv.firefly where his ad would be
considered on topic, he posts to rec.arts.sf.tv and
rec.arts.sf.movies where it is less on topic, and
alt.tv.stargate-sg1, alt.tv.stargate-atlantis,
alt.battlestar-galactica, alt.tv.scifi.channel,
rec.arts.tv, humanities.philosophy.objectivism,
rec.sport.pro-wrestling, and several others where his
sig file serves as the advertisement.

Here follows a copy of one of his messages:

(example snipped)

I realize that your spam guidelines indicate a
threshold of the same message being posted to 20
groups simultaneously, but surely repeatedly flooding
the same groups on a weekly basis must be some cause
for concern. I would hope you could at least send
your subscriber a reminder to comply with easynews'
spam policies and a note that continued flooding of
off-topic material to unrelated newsgroups may result
in further action. I would also ask that you keep my
identity anonymous, as I've been informed by others in
these groups that your subscriber has a habit of
harassing people via email.

Sincerely,

Stile4aly

Perhaps so, I wish him luck. Lio, you might want to ask for sanctions
since it sounds like Bugged is bringing the suit for the purpose of
harassing you.

So, I was damned if I did and damned if I didn't, is that it?

No, I freely admitted I said extortion. I did not present such as
fact, I stated that it was my opinion.

I have an actual name and address. My yahoo email address is right
there in my posting line. Sorry you don't like yahoo, but I've
switched providers a dozen times since leaving college and the yahoo
email has allowed me to have continuity from one ISP to the next.
Email me and I'll share my real name.

No, a legitimate question. Name one occasion when I've complained
about you taking steps to defend your family or supported the posting
of personal information.

I've only been on the BSG group since November and the Sg1 group since
August of last year. I've posted a total of 82 messages, most of
which are crossposts. I can't find my first post to you, but it was
around the same time you added me to your TRB list (which you did with
a hair trigger), and that was in late April. Incidentally, I have
never had services with Gawab, Highwinds, or Charter. Never even
heard of them.

How does my posting header saying I'm in Phoenix not tell you that I'm
in Phoenix. I suppose I could be using some sophisticated IP mimicry
software, but frankly I'm not that savvy.

And do you know what you find when you sue those companies? Among
other things, you'll find that I am not Lio Convoy.

I'll be curious to read those complaints. Under what statute of law
do you intend to file suit?

Well, I'm sitting in my apartment near Warner Rd and the I-10, so it
seems to me that I'm in Phoenix. My NNTP posting host is a Phoenix
host, and the path looks like it's heading through Phoenix based
servers to get to you. Admittedly, I'm not the best at reading
headers, so maybe you're seeing something I'm not. What is the
damning evidence present in my header that I'm not in Phoenix? Also,
if anyone out there is proficient with this type of thing, can you
please confirm for F Lee Bailey that at the very least the header says
I'm in Phoenix?

Geshtalt, baby!

And very very peevish.
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Looks like pheonix to me...
Although I suppose you COULD have dialled in long distance to a state half
way across your country just to post to usenet.
:)
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The lawyer thing is just a cover.
The fact that he's infallible, always right, NEVER wrong and everyone else
is... That's the givaway.

Only gods are ALWAYS right.

:)

Indeed... Being an atheist helps in this. If enough people don't believe in
him, he might cease to exist altogether.
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Fair enough, Citroen, whatever you have to do, it can't have been easy to
write it, no matter what the reasons behind it.

But you must understand that the way you worded your message sounded rather
strange. It is a shame this sorry business caused you stress, especially
something as trivial as its reason, when all this could have been nipped in
the bud at the very beginning by just one person.

<snip>

Well, it would work with the Ori... :-)

A bored god.
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=9mR7jBUAAAC3-zhJ5jkPz23aX43nuf8kv6ZVbJKGbokpZxwW7G4fAA&hl=en
Same untraceable shit, new day. Spoofed path data.

> And very very peevish.

Fair to say.

Still, it isn't just me that's going to have fun grabbing this troll by the
scruff of its neck. I'll have fun - and there's an audience.

We? No. One or two people (and I am here using the word "people,") need to
be worried, fear is typical laughable overstatement for you, "Lio."

Yeah. That's Spike's problem right there, all summed up. He closes his
eyes, it goes away. That makes hanging with a sociopath a fairly good
synnergy. But they're different sorts of afflictions.

Maybe he was liberated and relieved in writing it, Eva. The reasons matter,
because one of them was obviously the fact he considered you to be utterly
wrong in your views.

He has said his posts, not mine, were "spam." Yours were of the same
nature, even now. Stop spamming, Eva.

So sad <sniff>. I guess the idea of writing him privately with your drivel
was not an option.

It's always about Bugged. And here it is, getting worse than ever. If only
Bugged would stop!

But Citroen says, no, he should have stopped, and Eva says "No, you did
good, don't stop!"

It should be clear that Bugged doesn't stop. Is there the slightest
question about that?

And Bugged has been investigated thoroughly, exposed completely, and
vindicated every time.

Readers have really got to ask themselves if something is very, very wrong
here.

Spam is unsolicited advertising; personal opinions, however worded, don't
technically count as spam.

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* I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me
to expect the worst.

Yahoo: evilbill_agqx
Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk

You look at the path, not the "NNTP posting host."

There's nothing that says you're anywhere. This is "Lio's" One Big Trick,
like a puppy that can roll over, he knows how to hide, then the sociopathy
repeatedly has him saying "look! I haven't hidden!"

But he blew the game in several ways, mainly by getting outted when he tried
to file false complaints. That's the achilles heel on the "file numerous
complaints" strategy.

People want to know "who's complaining?" and then they give the supposed
victim a listing of what activity was complained of and who complained.

In the non-virtual world, this is considered too basic to even think about -
you face your accuser and hear the complaint, then you get to answer. But
the virtual world has not always allowed for, or been able to allow for,
this level of basic sensible moderation.

Because of lawsuits to enforce such a minimal level of justice, things have
changed. Very bad for rats like "Lio." The Light is very bad, they require
the dark.

And I just heard back from www.gawab.com. They've pretty much indicated
they're shutting Lio down rather than be part of the litigation. Watch for
Lio's addy, love...@gawab.com, as I will - it is likely toast now. But
Gawab is offshore - they even look like an Islamic site.

"Lio" picked a good place to hide - offshore - and a great bunch of buddies
with whom to hang. But none of this matters to a sociopath, only that which
is of use to him. And anyone running a web site with USA customers has a
connection - and thus jurisdiction worries - with our courts.

<spi...@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:hlo1l4-...@ridcully.ntlworld.com...

<lesson>
Now, Spike is willing to lie for his sociopathic bud, but folks who've been
doing this know that only the path tells you anything IF the original source
has an identifiable individual IP. So Rat-fucks like "Lio" post from Google
and Yahoo and so on so the first entry in the path data doesn't give them
away. Yes, Cox has a Phoenix IP. But there isn't even evidence that
"Lio/Trollie" used Cox as ISP. Here's the only part of the header that
matters:

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The "location source" of this poster, in this case, isn't even Yahoo. It's
a Google account. Usenetserver's machine was the second in the chain, and
so on. It's the final entry in the path that tells the tale. Or doesn't.
</lesson>

This will all come out - all of the identities - when this troll is put
under oath. Everyone will get to see this as I do it.

So, AB just throws shit out there and hope it sticks? Sort of sounds
right, doesn't it? He must REALLY love the taste of his own foot...

I now, of course, want you to underline the lie.
Because on reviewing that post, I see no lie.

Har de har har...

Like a court would bother with something so trivial as a usenet troll
getting pissed off by a person who disagrees with him.
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Why not look at the NNTP posting host? That indicates the ISP from
which the the post is originating.

I see, so there's no proof I can provide to show I'm in Phoenix, I
*must* be lying about where I'm posting from because I disagree with
you and therefore cannot be trusted to say that the sky is blue.

I've filed one complaint in good faith.

You're facing your accuser right now, Bugged. The irony is that
rather than addressing anything I've actually said, you simply resort
to accusing me of sockpuppetry and cyberstalking.

> And I just heard back fromwww.gawab.com. They've pretty much indicated

> Lio's addy, love2p...@gawab.com, as I will - it is likely toast now. But

Oh no! The Muslims are coming! According to their website, Gawab is
the premiere Usenet and webmail provider based in the Middle East. I
would think that opening the Middle East to the information
superhighway would be a good thing. Interesting that a company based
in the middle east would take seriously threats from an attorney in
the States who specializes in criminal law as opposed to international
law. What law is Lio breaking in the home country of Gawab.com that
gives you standing to file suit?

By the way, I'm Muslim. Oh no! More proof that I'm Lio Convoy,
except for the pesky fact that I'm not.

I think international law is slightly more complicated than "You're in
*my* sandbox."

> > core-phx-easynews!news-in-01-phx.easynews.com!news.easynews.com!en236!core-­e

I'd say the fact that my NNTP posting host resolves to a Phoenix based
Cox ISP is fairly strong evidence that I'm using Cox in Phoenix. And
do try to keep up, I am neither Lio nor Trollie.